Transcript excerpt -- Forbes video interview with Flock Safety CEO Garrett Langley
"The AI Startup Founder That Wants To End Crime In America"
Interviewer: Thomas Brewster, Forbes Staff
Published: September 3, 2025, on the Forbes YouTube channel
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVCVQcd9PLc (approx. 11:59-13:00 mark, chapter "Citizen Opposition To Flock")

Note: this excerpt is transcribed by this project verbatim from
YouTube's auto-generated captions, since no official transcript was
published (disfluencies/filler words left as spoken). The only
correction made is to the auto-captions' mis-transcription of
"DeFlock" as "Dlock"/"DOC" (a speech-recognition error on the proper
noun) -- corrected here to the actual name; no other wording has been
altered. ">>" marks a change in speaker (Brewster asks, Langley
answers, alternating).

Moving out of the kind of corporate corporate wars. Um looking at citizen projects where citizens concerned about the rise of flock and flock cameras going up everywhere and increased surveillance everywhere. has an organization called DeFlock who are semi- wellknown now I guess if you're interested in this stuff um who take a fairly aggressive approach in terms of counting the number of cameras and having a Discord channel where they talk about potential you know activities to to move against flock and and stop it expanding. What do you think of that organization and the way they go about their business? 
>> Yeah, so I mean I think there's really two groups of activists. uh you've got organizations like the ACLU and the EFF who take an above board approach to fight for their point of view and thankfully we live in a beautifully democratic capitalistic country where we can fight in court and I have a lot of respect for those groups because they have reasonable debates and we we follow the law and then unfortunately there's terroristic organizations like DeFlock whose primary motivation is chaos they are closer to Antifa than they are anything else and that I think is unfortunate because we don't want chaos or I don't want chaos. I like law and order. I like a society that has a bedrock of safety. So for those groups, I think it's just disappointing that they haven't chosen a more constructive mannerism to try to get what they want, which they have a right to have, but that's why we have a democratically elected process, right? Like I I we're not forcing flock on anyone. Elected officials know that as a as a community, you want to be safe. As a family, you want to be safe. and flock is the best way to create a safe community. 
>> I'm not sure DeFlock would agree with the terroristic uh label that you put on them,